Monday, July 1, 2024

MCKERNAN: The ‘Experts’ are the least informed people in the room. Unaccountability affords [them] to be asleep on the literature.

4:43, HOST. Robert it used to take about 10 years for a vaccine to be approved should we have trusted something coming out of the market so quickly after 12 months maximum of testing?

4:48, PROF. ROBERT BODY. Yes it was less than 12 months those vaccines were based on 10 years of experience using the mRNA platform using the viral Vector platforms with different diseases ten years earlier so we had more up Our Sleeve than people thought and what they did was to run parallel studies of phase one and then Phase 2 then phase 3 phase 3 proving it was effective in tens of thousands.  So that they sped it up but they didn't cut corners the safety was an issue and we do recognize that that AstraZeneca vaccine was associated with the risk clots and did result in serious cases. 

5:30. what didn't we know that at the time though if there was a 10 years of research beforehand?

5:34. Because it had never been given to tens of thousands you only found it out when tens of thousands got it because the risk was about 1 in 50,000, but if you got COVID the risk was 5 to 10 times higher.  So if we'd let rip and got COVID we'd have people having Delta and getting clots in their lungs and in their brains at a probably 10 times higher rate. 

5:59. Let's go to the audience now I know there's a lot of questions out there this evening.

6:02, AMANDA. I wanted to ask like when will there actually be a proper acknowledgment by the government as to actual vaccine injury?  My life changed on September 10th 2021 within 2 hours I started having an adverse reaction to Pfizer I've now been bed bound pretty much for two and a half years I slipped between the cracks I'm under the care of a neurologist, two gastroenterologists, a cardiologist.  I fundamentally got long-haul covid from the vaccine because I already had a heightened immune system.

6:38. Look I'm not sure I can give you an apology from anyone here tonight, but let's just try to get a better understanding. Robert, one of the things I worry about in the messaging at the time, and the media is part of this as well, there were problems.  "I'm feeling serious side effects."  They weren't listened to.  To a degree, they were ignored, and that I think we can all acknowledge was a mistake and as we are hearing from the audience now, they're real.

7:04. Absolutely.  The TGA had A system that advised Health practitioners and even the general public to notify side effects so they weren't being ignored might have been downplayed by some people but at the very top of the TGA we cared about it and we did research on it we know for example that the mechanism for the clotting is a platelet Factor 4 antibody.  It's not from anti-phospholipid.  It's a very specific thing that causes the clotting after AstraZeneca vaccine so we are continuing to research that and there are thousands of medical people working on that.

7:44. Anastasia you're a chief Health officer who had serious concerns over the AstraZeneca vaccine she writes that Jeanette young didn't want under 40s taking that brand AstraZeneca due to possible side effects.  Just remember some of those comments this is June 2021.

I don't want an 18-year-old in Queensland dying from a clotting illness who if they got COVID probably wouldn't die.  --Jeanette Young, Queensland Chief Health Officer, 2005-2021

That engineered afeared criticism of your government at the time. What do you look back now on her comments?  

8:16, ANNASTACIA PALASZCZUK. I also said the same thing so we were in unison in relation to that. The health advice was clearly that AstraZeneca should not be given to people under 40.  There had been some results that had come in from the United Kingdom where I think around 40 people had passed away due to AstroZeneca we went out publicly and we were attacked savagely as being anti the vaccine we were not anti the vaccine.  We were anti the vaccine being administered to young people to young people under the age of 40, and especially women.

8:56, AUDIENCE MEMBER.  I was one of the few people in the legal sector who took on the TGA and the rest of the government establishment for government corruption and medical corruption my question to you is as a person who is not vaccinated who did not take a single covid-19 vaccine why isn't there a research done three years in now comparing the immune systems of those who got the first dose the second dose and the third dose and the aftermath and the latency. Compared to how the non-vaccinated are faring right now we have a society that is chronically ill in winter season and it is not the unvaccinated.

10:00, PROF. ROBERT BODY. Australia has among the best immunologists in the world and we won two Nobel prizes we do take that seriously we do look at the responses to vaccination we do look at people who have had no exposure to covid or vaccination and their immune systems are compared so you're wrong.  As to being, healthy that's great. I'm really pleased for you.  But the people who have covid and who have not been vaccinated get more severe disease and they're more likely to get long COVID.

10:30, ASSOC. PROF. SENANAYAKE.  Once the vaccines get rolled out and now we've had over 12 13 billion doses given worldwide the research doesn't stop it's not like you know we got to phase three let's roll it out we've got phase four trials the data is being collected and collected and collected and if we're going to see really really rare side effects, we've had 14-17 billion doses to see those but we haven't heard of anything unusual at this point but we will keep looking.  I disagree with that.  

11:07, PROF. ROBERT BODY. Can I just say that I totally encourage people to who've had a vaccine and they've got an effect a side effect to report it and the TGA will look at it closely and will collect the information and will examine it it's important that you notify and it's important that people follow it up.

11:27.  PROF. G. FOSTER.  I think that's what you are seeing here is a symptom of a modern problem that we have with people who are often making decisions in positions of authority they're trying to do the right thing I think usually very separated from kind of the people on the street and the people on the street are getting their information from sources other than the main stream news other than than the health head of the department in various States other than the mainstream peer-reviewed journals there getting their information from a lot of Independent Media a lot of independent Scholars some of them who are extremely good and I would very strongly recommend that you guys have a look at non mainstream sources of information you may just discover something.

12:15. ASSOC. PROF. SENANAYAKE.  One of the major things at the who has said to continue dealing with covid is to look at this information and address it.

Professor Robert Body.

Associate Professor Sanjaya Senanayake.

Professor Gigi Foster. 

14:08. 

Professor Kerryn Phelps developed dysautonomia.  Her partner, Jackie Stricker Phelps, had anaphylaxis to food before.  

15:00, JACKIE STICKER PHELPS.

What didn't I suffer?  I'm not an anti-vaxxer.  I had anaphylaxis to foods before and I was really worried about anaphylaxis.  So we went along to the hospital where they had medical help if I had anaphylaxis, and they gave me the needle.  Within five minutes after getting vaccinated, she said that her "head nearly blew off [her] body.  [Her] face went bright red.  [Her] vision was impaired.  [She] couldn't hear.  [Her] feet went numb; [her] hands went numb.  [She] had paraesthesia all over her body.  And from that minute, [her] hair started falling out.  [She] could hardly walk.  For the next three years, it's three years since the 15th of May this year, since [she] had that Pfizer shot.  It has ruined [her] life.  It has made me hide away from people because [her] specialists have said that if she catches COVID, that'll be the end of [her].  So I can't have any more vaccines, and [she] wouldn't go near them with a 10-foot barge pole.  It is neurological and rheumatological.  It's caused ongoing problems for [her], and [she's] had to have a chair lift put into her house because she cannot walk up and down stairs anymore.  

HOST.  Medically is there anything to learn from people who have had side effects that both of you are describing in detail?

16:24. There is so much to learn there is an incredible lack of medical curiosity about investigating this TGA take the reports apparently there have been 144,000 adverse reaction reports but that's a drop in the ocean compared to the number of actual adverse reactions that there are because a lot of them aren't being reported.  Because certainly in the early days they weren't being recognized so there is so much that needs to happen to engage with people who have suffered vaccine injuries and for us to move forward.

16:58. And to provide compensation because the compensation scheme is hopeless.  And when the adverse reactions happen and people try to make a claim and some people their lives have been destroyed . . .

STRICKER PHELPS. Three years, three years I have suffered, and they said you don't fit our compensation scheme.  

KERRYN PHELPS. The criteria are extremely narrow and it doesn't anywhere near cover the breadth of adverse reactions that people are suffering. 

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