Wednesday, December 11, 2024

REP. ANDY BIGGS: And the fraud was so rapid, you closed down the program. But you didn't fix it. It's still ongoing. We're waiting for the next report to confirm that these things are still going on because it wasn't fixed.

Arizona Rep, Andy Biggs grills Ur M. Jaddou, Director, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.   

I asked questions that you couldn't answer, so that's why I gave a statement.  Do you agree that the same social security number was used on at least 20 different CHNV supporter applications?

So first let me start by saying . . . 

So these are yes or no questions.  So yes or no?

I just want to make clear that that the role that USCIS plays is on the supporters . . . 

And I'm asking you about supporter applications.  

Okay, I'm sorry.  Can you repeat that question then?  I heard it as a parole, the parolee.

No, the same social security number was used on at least 20 different CHNV supporter applications.  That's the question I asked.

Okay, sorry.

You're aware of that?

So yes I am very aware . . . 

It happened at least 3,200 times.  

I don't have the exact number in front of me.

That's according to DHS's report.

Okay, . . . 

I don't have . . .

You don't dispute DHS's report, do you? 

No I absolutely will not . . .

Also, the same phone number was used on at least 20 different supporter applications.  At least 3300 times.  That's according to the report.  Do you agree that that report is,  accurate?

I don't have that report in front of me, but, uh, um . . . 

I'm reading from it.

Yes, but I don't have it in front of me and I would prefer . . .

So you would dispute it?

No, I'm not disputing.  What I am saying 

So, you would deflect and ramble around.  You don't disagree with that number you don't think I'm deliberately cherry picking numbers and just saying oh I'm just throwing the stuff out I'm giving you the numbers from the report do you trust me on that do you at least trust me that far?

Yes, I, I, I . . . 

Okay so then you agree with that number same email address was used on at least 20 different supporter applications nearly 2,000 times do you agree with that?

Sir if if there is a situation where we have concerns of fraud and integrity, we take action at CIS and that exactly what we have done with regard to CHNB.  Where we . . .

Let's clarify here.  So I am laying foundation, and you don't really want to admit that there's this much rampant fraud here.  

You're trying to tell me that when you find fraud, we cure it, and yet nearly 2,000 times you had the same email address used on 20 different supporter applications.  The same exact 184-word text response to a question on the supporter application was used on more than 1,800 such applications by nearly 190 different CHNV  supporters.  

More than 460 non-existent zip codes were used on supporter applications on behalf of more than 2800 CHNV aliens.  So you see, you can dance around and say you don't have the report in front of you and what not, but these are the facts.  This program is rife with fraud.  

As of August 6th, 2024, DHS had approved more than 80,000 CHNV supporters who were in the US on a temporary basis.  Temporary basis.  I'm going to give you some numbers.  

224 CHNV parolees approved as CHNV supporters.  That seems awkward.  

170 additional parolees CHNV approved as CHNV supporters.  

28,322 temporary protected status holders approved as CHNV supporters.  

19,865 SLEs approved as CHNV supporters. 

311 DACA recipients approved as CHNV supporters.

1300 + aliens in the US on temporary visas approved as CHNV  supporters.  

64 refugees approved as CHNV supporters.  

1912 Conditional Permanent residents approved as CHNV  supporters.

That is the program that you are administering.  That's the section that you're administering.  

That's the supporters.  I'm not talking to aliens.  I'm not getting into the violation of law, of the US code 1182, when the use of parole is supposed to be on a case-by-case basis, where Secretary Mayorkas himself has sat here under oath said it's supposed to be on a case-by-case basis.  I'm not getting into that.  

What I'm getting into is a program, the side that USCIS is supposed to actually administer, and that is the supporter applications.  And the fraud was so rapid, you closed down the program.  But you didn't fix it.  It's still ongoing.  We're waiting for the next report to confirm that these things are still going on because it wasn't fixed.  Mr. Chairman, my time's up.  I'll yield back.

Mr. Chairman, can I respond to the question?

There was no question because I asked questions you couldn't answer, so that's why I gave a statement.  There was no question for you, ma'am. 

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