00:00, ANNA DE BUISSERET. And there is confusion there because a lot of people seem to think that Collective rights outweigh individual rights and that's not the case certainly in this jurisdiction the individual rights are just as important as collective rights and it's always a balance of Rights and that's one thing . . . I want to mention actually while I think about it, a lot of people seem to misunderstand the fact that you can't set aside human rights in a global pandemic. A lot of people are saying, "Well, you know they're allowed to do all of this because there was a global pandemic . . . ." No. I think it's Article 4 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights specifically says that you can't set aside these rights even in a global Health threatening the life of the nation; they're non-derogable. [Article IV does not sound it is going to protect individual rights at all.]
00:45, DR. AHMAD MALIK. But that's the whole point of these laws and rules that actually in times of crises there's things there to protect the public I mean it doesn't make sense that oh when it's great you know that's when we apply it well no that's you don't actually need it then when you really need it is in time of War crisis to protect yourself from an overreaching government
