Everyone in my network please share this ! My colleague Mark Morgan ( Patriot) absolutely burns down the house with this interview!
— Scott Mechkowski (@ScottMechkowski) November 12, 2026
Mark A. Morgan, Carl Higbie, and Terry Daniels.
Mark A. Morgan served as the Chief Operating Officer and Acting Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection from July 5, 2019, to January 20, 2021. Morgan had a long career in the Federal Bureau of Investigation, culminating in appointments as head of the Inspection Division and Training Division. He then served as chief of the United States Border Patrol under President Barack Obama as the first person to be appointed to that post from outside the Border Patrol; he resigned a few days after the inauguration of President Donald Trump. Morgan returned to government when he was announced as Trump's pick to be acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), where he served from May 28, 2019, until he moved to Customs and Border Protection.
TRANSCRIPT
De-incentivize the largest incentive, meaning let's stop allowing people coming here illegally and work illegally. So how about e-verify.
I thought that was a thing.
It's not. It's not. There is no National e-verify. In fact, the Republicans will not push HR-2 forward.
CARL HIGBIE: What's HR-2?
MORGAN: HR-2 is the strongest piece of border security legislation that's ever been proposed. But guess what? The Senate Republicans are saying, "No, we're not even going to push it forward unless we drop e-verify."
CARL HIGBIE: The funny thing about that is the immigration policy is like the one thing that pulled overwhelmingly positive even among Democrats.
MORGAN: Yeah. Look, Carl, we are in a very challenging time and what I'm about to say does not bring me solace. I voted for President Trump three times and after we saw the disaster of the four years of the Biden Administration the Democratic party it was very clear they believed in open borders; they believe in complete disregard for a migration system, and we've seen Sanctuary policies time and time again where they actually put the rights and well-being of illegal aliens over the protection of their own citizens. And now after we took this massive loss in the midterms, you have Republicans scrambling around trying to say "Oh, it was our harsh strategy on immigration," and you have them talking about amnesty. and, Carl, here is the part that really is hard for me to say. We saw the President on 60 Minutes talk about amnesty. He is back in the White House, Carl, because of what Biden did and if he joins the Democrats with this, Carl, it's going to be one of the greatest abandonments of a presidential promise to the American people in modern day history. I hope he doesn't do it.
CARL HIGBIE: He's come out, though, pretty strong and said "Hey, hey, that's not what I meant at all."
MORGAN: but Carl . . .
I got to go with Mark on this one Carl like this is a huge issue and this is an issue that people put Trump in the White House to deal with and I think he's dealing with it but not to the extent that the American voters wanted dealt with.
CARL HIGBIE: Well, we got Steven Miller now, and I think he's going to start ramping this stuff up because that's like his Numero Uno issue.
