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00:09. Do you think Israel has the right to do this and to defend itself and or do you think that this is just a bad idea.
00:17. Yeah, well two separate questions. The way you framed it was launching an aggressive war is defending itself, but that's just because you say it that way. In any other context, of course, it's completely illegal. This is what Japan did to us at Pearl Harbor, "the day of infamy," a surprise sneak attack against a country that wasn't attacking them. And so that was what was going on here. And the fact is they were in the middle of negotiations, and the reporting now is that Trump was actually shining the Iranians on and was pretending to negotiate with them and was telling them, "just make a public statement that he had . . . was trying to dissuade is real from attacking . . .
00:57. Let's just insert a couple of things. It was Israel that was attacked on October 7th by an Iranian proxy and by Hezbollah it was also Israel that was attacked by Iran it was also US troops that were attacked by Iran nevertheless who in their right mind would allow someone, a regime, that runs around chanting "Death to America," "Death to Israel," or if someone was running around chanting death to Scott Horton would you want them to have a nuclear bomb?
01:25. Well the thing of it is as I'm sure you must know as the CIA and the rest of the intelligence community concluded back in 2007 Iran stopped even researching into how to make a nuclear bomb after George Bush got rid of Saddam Hussein for them they had no more need for a nuclear weapon at that time they opened up their books and everyone watching knows this that Netanyahu has said there are a few weeks away from a bomb for the last 20 years they still don't have a single one and in February the director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard put out the threat assessment the annual threat assessment everyone can read it at dni.gov and it says that they have not made the decision to begin to pursue a nuclear weapon.
02:07. You don't think that the Israelis have a better have better intelligence come on.
02:12. Look there's nothing saying that the late Israeli claims of recent advancement are true no one else is confirming that at all in fact what they had all along Leland was a latent nuclear deterrent it's the same as Germany or Japan or Brazil where they had shown they had perfected the fuel cycle they know how to make nuclear weapons fuel but they're not making it and so what has happened here is that what this attack I know you want to hoist up your "Mission Accomplished" banner, but with this attack they're actually more likely to pursue nuclear weapons now whereas before they actually were not pursuing them despite your begged question in your question.
02:52. Germany and Brazil, a few things, don't run around chanting "Death to America," or "Death to Israel" for that matter, but
02:58. And they weren't making nuclear weapons either.
03:01. What I'm trying to figure out is why do stabilizing a regime that has made its soul mission to destroy Israel and for that matter to destroy the United States why that would be a bad thing?
03:18. Well George W. Bush told Ejud Olmert absolutely not back in 2007 because the Pentagon told him that it would be too reckless, that Iran is not Iraq, which was already bad enough and way worse than Bush thought it was going to be and that Iran would not be a pushover and that they would have escalation dominance in the region, that they could threaten our soldiers in Iraq which we still have thousands of soldiers in Iraq; we also have tens of thousands as you show on your map there in Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia 1 trillion dollars worth of economic targets.
03:48. I understand all of that I understand all of that . . .
03:50. You can close the Straits of or moose you can close the Straits of our moves and bad things will happen to the to our economy.
03:57. I understand all the bad things that can happen is the exact same things that the Iranians were doing okay they were attacking US soldiers the problem is once Iran gets a nuclear bomb they had more than 150 attacks by Iranian proxies against us interests during the Biden Administration we just all conveniently forgot about it. But I continue, the issue here is and the reason the world is safer is because once Iran got a nuclear bomb or was on the point of beyond the point of no return, they could act with absolute impunity; they could do all the bad things you said and the world couldn't do anything to them because they had a nuclear bomb.
04:32. Well, here's the thing of it. We had a deal before that no that they were not in violation of it that Donald Trump tore up at netanyahu's behest in 2018 under that deal
04:44. Why do you hate Benjamin Netanyahu so much?
04:47. If they decided to break out and try to create a nuclear weapon it would have taken them at least a year to get enough fissile material to even make one much less complete the process of making one. That was the deal Trump tore up. At that time, any enriched uranium . . . why don't you let me finish? Anytime they enrich uranium . . .
05:06. Because half of the things you're saying isn't true and the other half are wrong.
05:07. And exported it out of the country to France they had no stockpile of enriched uranium because they shipped it all out to France to be made into fuel rods and then be shipped back into the country under the old deal. It was after Trump withdrew from the deal at Netanyahu's behest that they then began to stockpile the enriched uranium that you're referring to that makes them that much closer to the bomb. Trump could have just got back in the deal and called it "The Trump Deal" instead of the "Obama Deal," and all of this would have been fine.
05:34. It was a bad deal to begin with I still don't understand why you believe that we should allow a country that has shown a willingness to Launch Terror attacks on the United States kill Americans launch and support terrorists around the world and attack our allies why even take the risk that they could possibly get a nuclear bomb?
05:56. That's funny you know I wonder how you think that after Iraq and Somalia and Libya and Mali and Syria and Ukraine and Afghanistan that the United States of America ought to be in charge of bombing countries changing their regimes fixing anything especially in the Middle East especially what Netanyahu wanted he's the one who said if we got rid of Saddam Hussein for him then everything would be that that piece would reverberate throughout the region but instead we put Iran's best friends in power in Baghdad, a war I am sure you supported too. And then now we supported Al Qaeda and mujahideen in Syria because they are enemies of Iran's friends in Syria.
06:34. I'll stop you with the
06:37. Do you support that do you support Al Qaeda in Syria?
06:38. I've spent a lot of time in the places that you just talked about [a fucking gay reference to the queer Douglas Murray who made "visiting a place" a criterion for expert opinion on a region], but that's beside the point. So are you saying that under any condition, so under no condition should a country this was not the United States bombing I run by the way this has been Israel there is a distinction is there no country that has a right to keep its enemies it's sworn enemies from getting a nuclear weapon?
07:01. Well Truman did not attack the Soviet Union to prevent them from getting nukes and Johnson did not invade China to prevent them from getting nukes. Mao Zedong was by far the worst person who ever lived, the most dangerous person who ever lived. We didn't launch a preemptive war against them, and they haven't used a nuclear weapon a single time. Only the United States has used nuclear weapons.
07:21. So you believe religious fanatics who can't death to America death to Israel aren't a little bit different than the Soviet Union and China come on I mean you're putting an awful lot of weight and somehow the fidelity and goodness . . .
07:34. You're saying that Mao Zedong is a better man than the Ayatollah, huh? We got you on tape, buddy.
07:40. I don't understand what your point is.
07:41. That Mao Zedong killed 40 million people. You must not know anything about communism.
07:46. I know plenty about Mao, and that he killed 40 million people. I'm not sure how I said he was better or worse than the Ayatollah.
07:51. He killed 4 million people, is that what you just said? He killed 40 million people, 4 zero million.
07:58. I understand that Scott. I'm just trying to figure out why we would let another fanatic get a nuclear weapon.
08:05. Again you're begging the question with your false presumption as I've already said . . .
08:08. Have you ever spent time, have you ever spent time in Israel?
08:11. Iran mastered the fuel cycle 20 years ago. . .
08:12. Scott, Scott, have you ever spent any time in Israel?
08:15. Iran mastered the fuel cycle 20 years ago and they haven't made a single atom bomb yet
08:19. Scott, Scott, have you ever spent any time in Israel?
08:22. No, I have not. I've not been there. I also know for a fact . . .
08:26. So you've never been under the threat of Iranian missiles?
08:29. Have you ever been to Iran?
08:30. No because they won't give me a Visa. They don't want journalists there because they won't answer questions.
08:32. Have you ever been to the Isfahan facility? Okay so you don't know.
08:38. Because they imprison and imprison Americans and execute anybody who speaks out against the regime.
08:40. So how do you know that they're making a nuclear bomb if you've never been?
08:46. Because they say they want one.
08:48. No they don't. They have disavowed nuclear weapons over and over again. They're members of the Non-Proliferation Treaty.
08:51. Then why won't they let journalists in why won't they let journalists in, Scott?
08:56. All you've got is misinformation, dude. You can't make a point without lying.
Enough Already: Time to End the War on Terrorism, Scott Horton, 2021
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