DAVID KURTEN: Obviously you had Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, who were Russian, being bombed by neo-Nazis attached to the Zelensky regime for 8 years . . .

Telling the TRUTH about Ukraine gets you immediately smeared on TV.

This is why we have endless wars, people are NEVER told the Truth about them. https://t.co/b5vZ9ZO2bm

— Jimmy Dore (@jimmy_dore) July 2, 2024

His name is David Kurten, the Heritage Party Leader out of Sussex.  The moderator is Iain Dale.

I've spoken about this at length many times over the last 2 years and you can't take what's happened in the last two years in isolation.  This comes on the back of what the West did, the CIA and Victoria Nuland, particularly, ousting a democratically elected president in 2014 Yanokovic because he decided he didn't want to join NATO and he didn't want to join the EU, which is their right.  What the West has done, the collective West, has put in a puppet in Poreshenko and then another puppet in Zelensky and we've encouraged him to . . . 

DALE.  Zelensky won an election . . . 

KURTEN.  He won an election in 2019 on the basis of peace with Russia he did a bait and switch at the behest of the deep state in the West who basically control him.

DALE.  Wow, you really sort of have the Putin propaganda, haven't you?

KURTEN.  It's not Putin's propaganda.  It's actually reality, and it's what I'm talking about.

DALE.  It's a very strange reality.

KURTEN.  It is reality you interrupted me there so let me just finish and continue so there was absolutely no need for the West to get involved in this on either side.  We should have been trying to de-escalate from the beginning in February 22 . . . 

So we should have just sat back and let Russia invade a sovereign country?

There was a peace deal in April 2022 that Putin and Zelensky worked out in Turkey with Erdogan.  Boris Johnson went to Zelensky just after that, and the next thing we know, Zelensky said "No, we're not going to make . . . ."

IAIN DALE.  This is pure Putin propaganda.

No, it's not [propaganda].  It's actually what's happening.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

No, I'm not ashamed of myself. 

KURTEN.  How much land should we let Russia take then?

Well, if we hadn't gone in and agitated this and escalated this to support Zelensky to escalate . . .  

Wow . . . wow . . . 

. . . there wouldn't have been any land taken at all.  Obviously you had Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, who were Russian, being bombed by neo-Nazis attached to the Zelensky regime for 8 years . . . 

We might as well have Vladimir Putin sit where you are.

That's an insult.

You're an absolute disgrace.

That's an absolute insult.

It was meant to be.

You're not calling me a disgrace.  And that is really not good moderation.

It may not be good moderation but I'm just reflecting what virtually every single person on this entire program is saying.