Host is Lee Smith.
3:30. Why is the Muslim Brotherhood a threat to American National Security?
3:36. It's a profound threat to our national security not so much because it has elements of terrorist networks within it and it supports terrorism. But an even deeper threat is it's colonizing us. It's waging a civilizational jihad against us to build population centers, to silence critics, to make themselves indispensable parts of political coalition and to take political power. So they're looking at playing a very long game in our country, and it's not to come here to become Americans and to assimilate. It's to impose what they feel like they're morally bound to do, and that is to impose Islamic law over the US Constitution.
4:22. I knew that a lot of this was happening in Europe. I mean we see the effects of it throughout the streets of London, Paris, certainly Brussels, but I didn't know it had gotten that bad already in the United States.
4:35. It's getting there. Europe is already 20 years ahead of us, a generation or two ahead of us. And it has been going on really since the early mass movements, like the Communist movements, the, you know, the anarchist movements. They sort of spawn in Europe and then they come over here. But they're very well embedded in many communities where you can see in places like Minneapolis, or now you've seen in the election of this Mayor [Mamdani] of New York. They have colonies down in Texas, really in pockets all around the country, large and small, and they're in some of the . . . most of the immigrants are harmless, but if they go to a mosque, that's a Muslim Brotherhood mosque. They're going to get gradually radicalized very softly, almost imperceptibly, not to come out and endorse terrorism or push people out into the streets to support Hamas which some of them do. But the really long-term civilizational Jihad mosques, run by the Muslim Brotherhood, will just sort of gradually assimilate people, raise their children this way by going to their religious schools, and create a civilization within a civilization that will never assimilate with us.
5:54. Why do they care about us? I mean one of the great Muslim Brotherhood ideologues and this was the organization that was founded in Egypt but the Egyptian ideologue site could tub famously came to the United States I can remember. It was the 40s or the 1950s but he was grossed out just looking at a community church dance and these were you know we're very modest people in a modest dance but he took it as a sign of corruption and rot and lust and all these different things. So why wouldn't they just avoid America why did they feel that it's their need now to take over America?
6:32. Well, that's the place for everybody to come. If America is the real threat whether it's American culture, as Sayyid Qutb said, or whether it's American support for Israel or American support for other countries that are Muslim majority countries they're just not Muslim Brotherhood countries. We're the greatest power to support everything they hate. So they have to colonize us.
6:59. So the purpose is really to get here and to undermine us and to I mean how do you they expect a transform the entire country or do they expect a transform the country? Or do they just want to take pieces of the political pie to be able to shape our politics or do they really expect that there are going to be women walking through the streets of American cities wearing hijabs wearing the head covering because Muslim Brotherhood imams demand it?
7:24. Well it's all of these things and it's many reasons also so you have you have Muslim Brotherhood people like they're fighting their wars back home like the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas they can't fight their wars back home because they're hopelessly outnumbered, so they have to fight them here because the United States exercises so much strength and power abroad so they can subvert the United States from within on a short-term political basis to affect the outcomes of wars or the changing of Borders or the migrations of population they'll do it here to pressure presidents to pressure judges to pressure lawmakers to pressure journalists and then to raise new generations of Americans and other foreigners to see the world through their eyes so that's one great important reason for them for they're fighting their Wars back home but they're also fighting as a sort of in a missionary like way to convert people to Islam under Muslim Brotherhood guidelines because they view it as a supernatural mission.
8:35. You mean that this is what the religion demands that they go out and convert that they prosthletize and convert and make the world safer for Islam?
What you were talking about before that they fight us because they're outnumbered and outgunned at home this was kind of Osama bin Laden's Theory right fighting the far enemy because the near enemy for instance Egypt or Saudi Arabia was too difficult and of course Al Qaeda comes out of Muslim Brotherhood ideology doesn't it as this larger thing we know is political Islam was Bin Laden shaped by the Muslim Brotherhood?
9:21. Yes he was shaped by their theoretical teachings in addition to Saudi wahhabism which is not Muslim Brotherhood but they all have the same end state and this is what matters. Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood and Isis and the Shiites and Iran all have the same end state which is to make all the world ruled under Islam all of humanity and to kill all the enemies that they can't control, to kill or enslave the enemies that they can't convert so it's a question of how do they get to that point that's where the difference is.
9:58. What are the different I mean you know you're talking about Europe I mean one of the fascinating things about I think even London and Paris are different right because I think they had different concepts Concepts about how to deal with political Islam my understanding is that the Brits pretty much let it happen they let all and all these fanatical Imams and the idea was well as long as you don't put Terror attacks against us it's okay and I think the French at first were sort of like that and then the French said well wait now they are starting to plot attacks against us we have to round them up and be pretty tough what's the American idea about Muslim Brotherhood influence on our Shores or do we have a coherent plan right now to confront this not only to confront it but hopefully to defeat it and to end it once and for all?
10:45. We don't have a plan we've been faced with before since 9/11 with this threat with this problem that people didn't want to talk about because they were afraid of being called racist or bigots or whatever other labels were being thrown at them even after 9/11 when we needed the American Muslim Community to help us fight Al Qaeda the Muslim Brotherhood came in not to to be a difficult challenge to us but to "help our authorities." So they came in by offering translation services by offering their expertise and how to advise the FBI and the CIA the military on how to think about Islam how to understand the communities that either the bureau here at home or the CIA in the military abroad were going to operate in. And you can think, "Well that's all really well and that's really helpful," but really they were teaching our military security and intelligence people how to think about Islam through the Muslim Brotherhood's view of the world.
11:51. Yeah it's pretty amazing I mean you see the different the different ways the brother hood is described fighting for social justice is primarily started as an aid organization when nothing of the sort. I mean it started in Egypt in 1928 and the whole purpose was to be fighting the British occupiers at the time. And they started turning and fighting the Jews in Israel look, is the
12:19. and that's a key right there, Lee. They were fighting the British first. They didn't . . . Muslim Brotherhood didn't care about the Jews they cared about secular Muslims. They cared about different non-Arab Muslims getting . . . pushing them out. And they cared about the British occupier, so the Israel and the Jews didn't come until later. This is a big misconception now that somehow if we didn't support Israel we wouldn't have a Muslim Brotherhood problem.
12:45. Yeah that's a very interesting point because that's how people sort of rationalize Hamas as well they say oh it's about the occupation Israel doing this and doing that. But if you go back through the history of their Brotherhood you find well I mean how would you I mean certainly we call it an extremist organization but it's also exclusivist if not eliminationist, right anyone who doesn't follow who doesn't follow this are their enemies I want to ask something about the talking about what happened after 9/11. There's a lot of people I think are still in some shock about the recent election to the mayor of New York Zora Mamdani and a lot of people are saying well the guy is not really in islamist as it turns out he's a crazy socialist like a lot of kids you see in school but then we understand that he's been this is not the case right his parents got money from the Qataris which is kind of home base, Global home base for the Brotherhood and then of course the different organizations he was a a member of like students for justice in Palestine and the whole chant of globalizing the Intifada. So should people be worried about Mamdani as a Muslim Brotherhood activist, as the Mayor of New York?
14:02. Sure. That's why he was deployed he had a whole image making campaign and champions throughout New York and really throughout the country and the world to promote him not because he was such a great capable Visionary guy but because he represented a much larger movement so when he was elected you had both the Muslim Brotherhood celebrating his election but you also have the Democratic socialists of America celebrating his election saying that this is the greatest single revolutionary victory in a century that's their shorthand for the greatest victory since the Bolshevik Revolution they see now one of America's greatest cities under control of the red-green axis.
14:49. What does this tell us about our ability to our own resistance our own antibodies against this because you know again you're talking about 9/11 and I was visiting New York recently my hometown and I was reminded not only of the First World Trade Center bombing in 1993 but also 1994 there was a crazed islamist a guy from Lebanon got up on the FDR Drive or actually on the access point of the Brooklyn Bridge and he shot at a bus full of Chabad kids and one of them was killed and that driveway is named after him so this has been going on even before 9/11 so again what does it tell us about Americans ability to not only understand what's happening but to fight it?
15:37. We willfully don't understand as a country. We like to think the best of people. There's a tendency for many Americans to feel guilty, you know, about being an Anglo-Saxon; you know, having Anglo-Saxon roots in our country somehow that's wrong, somehow it's oppressive, and somehow we have to compensate. And one of the ways of compensation is to accept as many people from around the world as possible and then not demanding they assimilate, and, in fact, accommodating all of their demands. And then you have others who simply want to be left alone, or they even want to speak out but they're so harassed when they speak out that they just shut up, and . . . that's probably a majority of the country. They know something is wrong but . . . they can't say anything, and then you have others who find themselves their lives professionally ruined. You saw this after 9/11 when the Bush Administration took rapid action to go after it Al Qaeda and reached out to the American Muslim Community. But what? There is no community in America Islam. There weren't many Shiite Muslims here and those who were here were refugees from the Ayatollahs for the most part. The Sunni Islam isn't a vertically structured entity. So it does not have a "community," because it's all horizontal. It's all, it's more like more Grassroots ish not top down but what is top down claiming to represent everybody the Muslim Brotherhood
