DEBBIE LERMAN: What was the origin, not of the virus, what was the origin of the response, because the origin of the response is what destroyed the world.

06:26  and I'm going to jump in Sasha, because I think we might differ here.  I don't know what it was and I think the point that we're making in the dossier is that it doesn't matter . . . what the trigger was . . . so the fact that everybody's focused on whether it was from a Pangolin or a raccoon dog or the Wuhan lab, it's not beside the point, it's an interesting question, but it is not what destroyed the world.  What destroyed the world was the lockdowns and the vaccine mandates.  That's what destroyed the world, and so what we're asking people to do is re-focus.  What was the origin, not of the virus, what was the origin of the response, because the origin of the response is what destroyed the world. 

11:00.  Sasha and I agree on all of the global control issues, and I think the important thing to realize here is that, for me, it's more structural and systemic that they were trying to use COVID-19 to kill people because I think if they were trying to use COVID-19 to kill people, it didn't do that great of job, or the vaccines, or the so-called whatever, the MRNA technology was.  I don't think it did a good enough job for that to be the justification.  It might have been.  I'm open to that interpretation.  IMO, the global structures that have been put in place and that have been growing and growing and growing especially since 9/11 and since the fall of communism, which are these supranational corporate public-private Partnerships that really pretty much controlling everything right now in the world because National governments don't have too much power anymore.  And the one that is in charge of military bio defense, so responding to biological whatever, is huge.  It's an enormous International Global conglomerate that includes pharmaceutical companies, Global pharmaceutical companies and all their subsidiaries.  So just think about how many tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, of people already are just employed in that.  Then we have all the academic institutions and the journals and the governmental agencies that are in charge of those things, and it becomes a "too big to fail" entity.  That's how I think of it, it's a "too big to fail" entity, and so if there is no outbreak and there is no biowarfare bio-terrorism, they have to . . .  something has to happen to justify their existence.

12:46.  So the evidence of this consortium were included.