14:56.  Remember, FDR believed in convergence.  He thought that the free system in the West and the Communist system in the Soviet Union would converge.  This was something he spoke about to many people.  Different kinds of people made notes at the time by Sumner Wells, by various others.  He actually spoke with Cardinal Spellman, 1889-1967, made minutes of a conversation talking about this conversion idea of Roosevelt's.  

So they were all on board with maintaining Soviet power hoping that we would get to this really happy place.  And remember, also in 1945 in May, we have the United Nations gearing up for its first meeting at San Francisco under the ageis of a straight-up Soviet agent, name Alger Hiss, a very prominent State Department official in the United States, who we find out later was a Soviet agent ushering in the sort of baby vehicle of global governance, globalism, and so on.

Meanwhile, soon you have Harry Dexter White, a Soviet agent who happened to be number two at the US Treasury working very hard to bring the global monetary system into existence.  And his first institution would be the IMF, of which he would be appointed the first head.  So we have a global system a aborning and enough people at the highest levels able to sort of push things around influence things keep things going stop certain things and stop information going.  We have Marshall.  I don't know where you put Marshall but we do have him telling returning soldiers not to say bad things about the Soviet Union.  We have a very interesting exchange between ostensibly Roosevelt and one of his top emissaries during the war a man who had been governor, a New Deal governor of Pennsylvania, George H. Earl, III, 1890-1974, who in the spring of 1945 was sick and tired of communism.  He'd been in the East.  He'd been an Emissary for Roosevelt.  He knew the truth about the Katyn Forest Massacre, the massacre of Polish Officer Corps, by the Soviets that would be blamed on the Nazis, of course, for many, many years until we finally got the truth.  But he knew the truth at the time, ried to tell Roosevelt, was rebuffed, sort of sulked for a while.  I'm being a little silly but he went quiet for a while.  At war's end, George Earl writes a very interesting letter, which we have, to Roosevelt saying, "You know, the war's coming to an end there's no problem with this.  I want to talk about the truth about our new enemy, our bigger enemy, and that would be communism led by the Soviet Union."  Also in the same spring of 1945, you have Roosevelt, or someone, tell him no, don't say anything, and stop it.  And then you have the United States government go to George Earl basically in retirement.  He's been a lieutenant commander and Emissary, and so on and order him to Samoa for the duration.  So you see the people who had information we're being silenced, thereby orders or literally sent to Samoa.  That's not even a joke.  He was literally sent to Samoa from the Washington area.  So he couldn't possibly open his trap.  This is what's going on at War's end and we see the international order that Donald Trump is sort of weirdly instinctively trying to disassemble a burning and that I think is at the root of the reason that our men were just expendable.  Something bigger at stake was on the table then lives and that's why I think you get to the hole gruesome realization of what I call in this book American Betrayal, I know it sounds sensational, so I hope that people who are interested in this will look at least chapter 11 of American betrayal because I have the sources this is nothing theoretical this is all sourced to government cables that were many of them were actually put together by the US Senate back in the 90s when we were looking at the POW/MIA issue in Vietnam specifically.

It's a terrifying thought of course, to think that pro-Communist agents in Western governments were prolonging the war in order to hand Eastern Europe to the Soviets that is a particularly chilling thought. This idea that the lives of tens of millions of people get surrendered to a horrendous dictatorship.  Of course, the giant irony, England went to war, September 1939 to save Poland and ended up handing over Poland to the Soviets is a brutal, brutal situation.  With regards to the Nazis you know socialists socialistic centrally planned fascist or communist style economies always collapse.  And so part of me is like you know with the exception of the Holocaust part of me is like couldn't they have just contained Germany and just let the system collapse?

20:38.  Absolutely and there's the other half of it which is equally terrifying which is of course the fall of nationalist China another communist infiltrator, influenced rather cataclysm which we can know we can trace led directly to other Wars in Korea and Vietnam. 

21:25.  It's really a mere image of what happened in Europe, and what happened in Yugoslavia and what happened in China in terms of communist elements or Pro communist elements inside let's stick with America but really they were quite infiltrated in England as well and other nations pushing a line that would ultimately benefit communist factions in various countries whether it's China with Mal or whether it's Yugoslavia with Tito or whether you can really see the pattern replayed over and over again whereby the good guy meaning the anti-nazi the anti-communist or in Chiang Kai Shecks case anti Japan imperialist Japan and anti-communist you see the state department people creating these false personas of the anti-communist of the anti-nazi in order to prop up and glorify the Communists leaders

I have yet to watch this interview on George H. Earl, III.  The book, Exiled Emissary: George H. Earle III, Soldier, Sailor, Diplomat, Governor, Spy, Christopher J. Farrell., 2021.